Posts by John Davis

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New Research at AJWRB

by Lee Elder in

the latest research article published at ajwrb estimates the number of jehovah's witnesses who have died from following or being coerced to follow watchtower's blood policy.

the numbers are staggering.

http://ajwrb.org/jehovahs-witnesses-and-blood-tens-of-thousands-dead-in-hidden-tragedy.

What do you want people to sue Watchtower over? Ultimately it is the person's choice if they want to obey that policy or not. Can a Catholic who views abortion is murder no matter what the circumstances, can they sue the Catholic church if they die from a condition that could have been resolved by an abortion? No, we all have to be responsible for our own choices.

In fact someone tried to sue, not watchtower but tried to sue the hospital to force that they give their husband a blood transfusion. The wife filed suit saying that if her husband died because of not being given a blood transfusion that she and her son would become destitute as he was the only worker in the family. A lower court granted the application so that they would have to give a blood transfusion, but it went to the Supreme Court of Puerto Rico and the court there ruled that each person has autonomy over their own body and they can choose what they want to accept or deny.

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Suing The Watchtower Corporation For Pain And Suffering Caused By Clandestine Trial Of Corporatly Biased Impartial Judges (A Real Ordeal)

by Brokeback Watchtower in

i mean they routinely question the "invited" guest of dishonor to their proceedings: if they have any prohibited recording devices and won't allow any witnesses to be present.

this is cruelly horrible treatment of a human being,, i say this can be a slam dunk in the courts.

maybe not millions but definitely some nice returns for the person and his lawyer.

John Davis

There was, in fact, one court case where the gentleman who sued Watchtower was in the right and could prove that Watchtower gave him and the elders who DF'd him the wrong information according to their own policies. The court ruled that there is nothing that a civil court can do to remedy the situation, that even if the elders conspired against him there is no remedy that can be given.

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Suing The Watchtower Corporation For Pain And Suffering Caused By Clandestine Trial Of Corporatly Biased Impartial Judges (A Real Ordeal)

by Brokeback Watchtower in

i mean they routinely question the "invited" guest of dishonor to their proceedings: if they have any prohibited recording devices and won't allow any witnesses to be present.

this is cruelly horrible treatment of a human being,, i say this can be a slam dunk in the courts.

maybe not millions but definitely some nice returns for the person and his lawyer.

John Davis

You could be right that a fantastic lawyer may take this on but it would be virtually impossible to win for two main reasons.

The court, at least in the US, will have to ignore 100 years of US Court policy and precedent that civil courts cannot intervene within the internal matters of a religion. A court cannot determine if a religion is correct in their beliefs or how they practice those beliefs as long as it doesn't violate an actual law. It cannot get involved with the discipline of its members or who it determine's it members should or would be. Watchtower is a voluntary organization and can pick it's members at its whim and can remove those same members at any time.

The second is that you would have to prove damages and that those damages were caused by Watchtower and their practices. Even if you claim depression you would have to prove that the depression had it genesis because of your discipline within the JW community. That would be really hard for any psychologist or psychiatrist to definitively say that it the exclusive cause.

But if you think you have a case you should try and find a lawyer and try and file a civil case. If you think it is winnable and can convince a lawyer to take it on then you should definitely try.

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Suing The Watchtower Corporation For Pain And Suffering Caused By Clandestine Trial Of Corporatly Biased Impartial Judges (A Real Ordeal)

by Brokeback Watchtower in

i mean they routinely question the "invited" guest of dishonor to their proceedings: if they have any prohibited recording devices and won't allow any witnesses to be present.

this is cruelly horrible treatment of a human being,, i say this can be a slam dunk in the courts.

maybe not millions but definitely some nice returns for the person and his lawyer.

John Davis

Are you referring to a lawsuit for the decision that a JC makes or for the actual Judicial Committee practice?

The most likely place to file this kind of suit would be in the US because in the US there is a lot more latitude on what you can file a civil suit for and how much you can win in a civil suit. Most of the rest of the world the government limits what you can sue for and the winnable amount of damages that are winnable.

On the whole shunning issue that is pretty much an unwinnable case thanks to Serbian and the Paul decisions. But it would be interesting to see if someone went the other route and tried to sue over the actual Judicial Committee process. It would be really hard to win, your either going to have to have a lot of disposable income, find a lawyer who will take a huge percentage because they will be having a huge risk of winning nothing or you just file in small claims court for the statutory maximum.

That would be an up hill battle but hey in the US you can sue for anything.

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Using Illegal Means for Righteous Activism

by John Davis in

i wanted to get people's opinion on something.

how do you feel when people use illegal means while performing their activism to shed light on the watchtower.

there have been people who have illegally recorded conversations with elders and with branch offices or at meetings.

John Davis

So outlaw you are saying that JWLeaks is an apologist? OK I didn't think that he was but ok.

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Using Illegal Means for Righteous Activism

by John Davis in

i wanted to get people's opinion on something.

how do you feel when people use illegal means while performing their activism to shed light on the watchtower.

there have been people who have illegally recorded conversations with elders and with branch offices or at meetings.

John Davis

Then you're a really good forensic IT Specialist or a fantastic linguist. And good for you.

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Using Illegal Means for Righteous Activism

by John Davis in

i wanted to get people's opinion on something.

how do you feel when people use illegal means while performing their activism to shed light on the watchtower.

there have been people who have illegally recorded conversations with elders and with branch offices or at meetings.

John Davis

Well then you have already made up your mind without any actual evidence. Good for you.

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Using Illegal Means for Righteous Activism

by John Davis in

i wanted to get people's opinion on something.

how do you feel when people use illegal means while performing their activism to shed light on the watchtower.

there have been people who have illegally recorded conversations with elders and with branch offices or at meetings.

John Davis

I love how if someone has a different opinion than the popular opinion then they must be evil or be someone else. How do you want me to prove that I am not this Richard Oliver please tell me and I will prove it to you.

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Using Illegal Means for Righteous Activism

by John Davis in

i wanted to get people's opinion on something.

how do you feel when people use illegal means while performing their activism to shed light on the watchtower.

there have been people who have illegally recorded conversations with elders and with branch offices or at meetings.

John Davis

When someone in normal English conversation says "why would you bring that up?" that is usually a rhetorical question of why would you bring that up it has nothing to do with anything. If that is not what you meant I am sorry. I was using that in common English vernacular of what I have heard all my life.

So why did I bring up a thread from 5 years ago? Well if we all think that Watchtower's old feelings on things is fair game so is everyone's else's old feelings on things. But this is a clear example of how some people think that it is perfectly ok to align themselves with people who will commit crimes or aid people who will commit crimes if the outcome they feel is noble.

Some people may have changed their minds in the last 5 years and after Zalkin and the ARC have received the records and have seen that legal means can work just as effective. Some people may not have changed their view or have become even more hardline that all means, including those that are illegal, must be used to fight the fight. It is a legitimate use of a previous post.

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Using Illegal Means for Righteous Activism

by John Davis in

i wanted to get people's opinion on something.

how do you feel when people use illegal means while performing their activism to shed light on the watchtower.

there have been people who have illegally recorded conversations with elders and with branch offices or at meetings.

John Davis

So I shouldn't bring up anything that is over a certain number of years. What is the number of years is the maximum that I should be allowed to bring up?